spw wrote:

http://www.juno.co.uk/

NEW RELEASES THIS WEEK:

Minimal House/Tech House

CHYMERA
Caprica Burning (12")
Connaisseur Superieur Germany
07 Aug 08

Caprica Burning (original)
Caprica Burning (Dave Ellesmere's Rites Of Spring remix)

DUMONT, Duke
The Dominion Dubs EP (12" promo)
Dubsided

Prelude

SPACE EXPLORERS
Kaffana Je Moja Sudbina EP (12")

Jesus Loved You Germany
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http://hardwax.com/this-week/

Hyperdub 012 (UK 12")
Samyam: Return
Instrumental Hip Hop

Return

Dub Police 019 (UK 12")
Unitz: The Drop
Freaky pitch-bend dupstep

The Drop

Wave Music 50199 (US 12")
John Daly: Atlantis EP

Deeper disco-ish house
Atlantis
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Vintage bad dance music classics:

YouTube:

boris badenough Hey rocky!Trax records 1986

Avantasia - "Lost in Space" Nuclear Blast Records

The last one not dance music but funny.

Felix-451 wrote:

Limit overused in first track. Stereo delay. Not funny.

spw wrote:

I like some bad dance music.

spirals wrote:

the john daly record is the odd man out as the record was worth the listen.
nice and grrovy, good use of strings, good house record.
for me the vocals on prelude are unbearable
the caprica burning, while i wouldn't say it is horrible, it has nothing about it that holds my attention. sounds kind of hollow and gutless to me, but that's just my personal taste.

Manys wrote:

"Hey Rocky!" is so terrible. It used to be in the used bins ALL THE TIME. I think it was a bunch of peoples' first Trax record, since it was so findable. Then they'd sell it back where it would wait for the next new DJ to come along.

spw wrote:

Hey Rocky is a tacky digital drum machine house track. Good for laughs.

spw wrote:

My bad music pick from the above list is:

DUMONT, Duke
The Dominion Dubs EP (12" promo)
Dubsided

This is so bad it's entertaining. I would buy something like this just to listen to it.

Felix-451 wrote:

Some cheese adds to the flava.

spw wrote:

The good cheese not the bad cheese. Try mixing Kraftwerk - The Telephone Call into Boris Badenough - Hey Rocky! on Trax.

This is one (3.6/5 rating) that brings back memories:

Engine-O - Satellite

djfrankiebones wrote:

http://www.discogs.com/release/206700

This is my cheesiest pick of all time.

TIM wrote:

Bad New Music Thread Selections.

Change title?

spw1 wrote:

Not bad bad:
Scooby Doo Techno

glottis5 wrote:

That Samiyam record is awesome (as is most hyperdub stuff)

djfrankiebones wrote:

Mention anything a techno purist might like and they will always hear it like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRkLXJ...re=related

Don't matter what it is, they will hear it like this.

spw1 wrote:

Not bad. Reminds of 1993 Rotterdam techno.

This track also has simple straight forward approach:

Black Bird - Woody Woodpecker

Dusty wrote:

I agree; however since this post I've heard from the distributors that sales for this 12" have dropped to almost nothing, proving once again just how much importance the dance music scene places upon spw's musical opinions.

spw1 wrote:

Hyperdub 012 (UK 12")
Samyam: Return
Instrumental Hip Hop

Return




What made me name this track is the loose swing groove (sounds like a car with a flat tire). And the accordion sounding synth over the top. Also you have the squashing compression effect going on.

The new Alter Ego is disappointing.

Klang Elektronik 133 (D 10")
Alter Ego: Gary

Smart tech house rave

How did Roman Flügel go from records like Acid Jesus - Radiation to Sunglasses At Night (Sunglasses At Night Remixes Part 1) sawtooth computer game music with Hanna Montana vocals? His selections on Beatport also suck. Sawtooth modulation. Then again that's a German artist that's always adapted to what style is trendy going back to Decoding The Hacker Myth (when the trip hop and ambient was big) and Rocker was a big hit for him.

From: http://www.ongaku.de/news.php?newsdetail=3&lang=en

06.05.2008
What next Alter Ego?

Half a year ago, Alter Ego simply asked "Why Not?!", but in the meantime, the central question of Roman Flügel and Jörn Elling Wuttke is actually "What's next?!"

I initially gave Why Not?! a good review but it has 0 staying power since the sound reeks of foul trend odor. Two years from now Why Not?! will be too embarrassing to play. The quirky sawtooth sound. There should have a warining label on such music. Warning. The hot sound of today not tommorrow. Enjoy playing it once or twice. Didn't Electroclash become big 10 years ago. Why are people still trying to do 80s inspired music? Screw italo-disco.

knob wrote:

if you can figure out a way to put a hole in it I will...

spw1 wrote:

Rock History 101 - Electroclash

...sucks.

Felix-451 wrote:

how about the sinewave modulation by quirky random lfo on that one tho. not exactly A Joke?

djfrankiebones wrote:

Electroclash is dead?

I thought they just call it Dirty Electro these days?

djfrankiebones wrote:

I mean the truth here is this...

People can call Techno whatever they want. People who claim they like techno usually reserve the genre for PVD, Tiesto & Van Whoever.

So Electroclash, Dirty Electro, Electro House, it still is what most clubs are playing today.

http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF307245-01-02-02.mp3

See, I call it MDM (Modern Dance Music) because nobody listens to techno.

tekkno-guy wrote:

Eminem says that on one freaking track on one record, and everyone believes it.

Later that year, he is spotted at the Jeff Mills event at St Andrews Hall. In the late 90s he was all over the Detroit scene. But it may have been for the pills and women...you tell me.

spirals wrote:

hey bones who is that?

spw1 wrote:

Alter Ego - Gary was described as sawtooth (synthesis) in a dance mag review. The lead synth in Rocker was also sawtooth. You also have that Werwerwerwer sound (modulation) is in a lot of records. And that wha-wha-wha type bass.

spw1 wrote:

Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha...Electro House is probably a better term.




This is a true statement. It's just modern digital era dance music not really techno. Like the recent Kevin Saunderson remixes. Not really techno, it fits in with a lot of the stuff on Beatport. You know, Kevin Saunderson is getting payed and that's great.

spw1 wrote:

Dusty is a dubstep guy and I stand behind my statement that it's a fad. It's Top 40 R&B beats with D&B bass. I read a review that there's UK garage, Jamaican influences in there. I can't say I'm a big fan of Jamiacan music. Don't see why so many people try to imitate it. there is a lot of dance hall and raggae roots type music where I live and it's crapy. It played a part in DJ culture or what not but I don't see what's so great about it.

cinquante_neuf wrote:

long fad

Nice to see you deride things that you don't understand though - keep up the good work!

Dusty wrote:

You really are a complete moron.

sherbert wrote:

If you`re referring to


i believe it`s Kaliber 14 electricrescue remix

spirals wrote:

thanks sherbert, now that you point it out it seems obvious. sounds a bit like his #4 but with different percussion.

auxroot wrote:

really truly

auxroot wrote:

u r an idiot

spw1 wrote:

Rewinds are also an important live element in many of dubstep's precursors; the technique originates in dub reggae soundsystems, and is also used at UK garage and jungle nights.[13]

Taking direct cues from Jamaica's lyrically sparse deejay and toasting mic styles in the vein of reggae pioneers

I live where it's mostly Jamaican and nobody play the latest UK dance fad inspired by Jamaican music and promoted by the likes of Radio 1's Mary Ann Hobbs. Nobody plays Drum & Bass. Nobody plays dubstep. Nobody plays Basic Channel. They play real Jamiacan music. I'll take Blues and funk over Bob Marley or old Studio 1. That's just my preference in music.

spw1 wrote:

The probelem I have with dubstep is it's not good dance music. Music that's nothing but sub bass is kind of gimmicky/ stupid. Imagine spending hours and hours listening to nothing but sub bass.

Remember bass music?

Another well-known sub-genre of Miami bass is car audio bass; a genre exemplified by artists such as Techmaster P.E.B., DJ Magic Mike, Beat Dominator, Bass 305, Bass Mekanik, Quad Force, Bass Patrol, MC ADE, and others. This sub-genre features an even more stripped down and bass heavy sound, tending to focus on either extremely hard 909 kicks combined with sine waves or the classic 808 kick, or sometimes simply the sine wave by itself.

This was a fad becuase playing nothing but bass was dumb. It annoyed people.

bedhed3000 wrote:

Like 100% of your posts?

spw1 wrote:

Interest in dubstep grew significantly after BBC Radio 1 DJ Mary Anne Hobbs started championing the genre, beginning with a show devoted to it (entitled "Dubstep Warz") in January 2006

What a joke. How dare I criticize dub step. It's hours upon hours of wha-wha-wha sub bass lines and and a Top 40 music R&B groove.

spw1 wrote:

This is going to sound racist but bass music made by a bunch of White people is kind of fake.

knob wrote:

that's wierd the 808 drum machine was invented and built in japan. I don't think with the original price point that they had non white ghettos in mind. I didn't realize any ethnic group owns the rights to "BASS".

glottis5 wrote:

so is spw1 a troll or just an idiot

cinquante_neuf wrote:

have you heard Dubstep? Did you read the wiki article? It isn't even close to R&B!




yeah, rock music played by blacks (Living Colour), and techno played by japanese (Ken Iishi) is similarly fake.

iamelectron wrote:

it did - you're a fuckwit

spw1 wrote:

From The Scratch Pad: Dallas Dub Assembly

Mundo: Dubstep incorporated the swung beats with a funky, kind of R&B feel to it. It has a loose kind of vibe, you know.

Of course I was right. People here are just trying to discredit my post because of politics. I'm unpopular here but at least I'm not PC.




Don't misconstrue things. I'm talking about music that traditionally has emphasis on bass. Kraftwerk - Computer World does not have a lot of bass in it. Neither does Depeche Mode - Speak & Spell.b Although, to be fair we live in different times and everything is more mutli-racial these days. I'm assuming that there are people with Jamaican roots in the UK responsible for dub step and Drum & Bass. They are just not fronting on Jamaican music.




The TR-808 was not intended to be a bass machine. End of discussion I win you lose.

edit - content, spelling.

djfrankiebones wrote:

I've actually been o.k. with that for the last year or so.

cerebral wrote:

The problem you have is you don't know how to move to it or relate to it, and therefore simply miss the point and then assume there is no point.

Also spw, why do you quote articles on music to make your point? Does it somehow make it right if someone said it and you believe it?

cinquante_neuf wrote:

form this you get to:



?


read the wiki





You base your argument on a very subjective set of data. I don't think citing pop music is the best way to prove that white people making tracks with heavy bass is "fake".

I suppose I could argue that Bass culture is a white Christian phenonema - after all pipe organs found in churches can go down into the infrasound range quite comfortably





Dubstep isn't Jamaican music! It may be informed by Jamaican concepts (in much the same way that Hip Hop is/was), however it also has the influences that the producer brings to it. (read the wiki article for examples)




And this is something to shout from the rooftops because..?

djfrankiebones wrote:

You want to piss off your neighbors?

I mean I know we don't always see eye to eye, but it's the obvious answer, no?

cerebral wrote:

Actually I listened to an interesting program which followed the history of bass, including its use in band music, waltzes where the bass led etc etc.

The first instance of bass they could find were church organs, so white christians literally INVENTED bass....!!!!

Agreed 59..

jondavey wrote:

...stop arguing and laugh at this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvLDm8821jQ

jondavey wrote:

ha ha ha ha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIQz6YcFgQ4

jondavey wrote:

...this one will be contreversial, but I think it's a TERRABLE piece of music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw1vd9o1uM0

jondavey wrote:

sooo boooring, yawn;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O666kGBEvF0

Dusty wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4NUI1ib6Q

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hyd5MVcE_BI

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QS38JBh5gcw

Just a fad.

You best stick to your safe techno you little racist, know-nothing, autistic fuckwit. I don't think we want your type involved with UK music anyway.

cinquante_neuf wrote:

Quite like Playing with Knives and Normski, so that clip made me smile.

knob wrote:

[quote=spw1 End of discussion I win you lose.
[/quote]
wrong again.. It's impossible to "win" an arguement in a chat forum, All I have to do is keep arguing with you.

jondavey wrote:

Dusty, that Toasty tune ROCKS!! absolutly Rocks, I don't see how anyone could resist that drop, I had goosebumps!

C/N I used to watch Dance Energy, Normski's funny. Did you know he's a photographer now?

cinquante_neuf wrote:

Yeah, he started off as a photographer I think, there is a video on youtube where he explains going to the us to photograph gangs and getting in hot water :)

My abiding memory of him is from an old 'One in the Jungle' appearance with a guy Called Gerald, absolute comedy gold :)

jondavey wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2sT1SPe8OI

knob wrote:

1. I never commented on what I consider the original purpose of the 808 was.
2. It's not relavent to the discussion about who is/ isn't capable of making bass music.
3. You win, I lose???Think again numb nuts.All you did is what you're best at. Proving how dumb you are.Your comments don't sound racist really, just stupid.Like you're not smart enough to not believe in the stereotypes that you're spoon-fed daily. Out arguing you isn't even a challenge. You have never even made a valid point. The only way you win is if winning means somebody responds to your posts.

man_traic wrote:

Ive said it before, and ill say it again;

Chromosone, chromosone, wherefore art thou, chromosone?

spw wrote:

All the those tracks flat out suck and use the same type of groove you here in R&B music with dark pretentious atmsophere. It also reminds me of something someone slightly immature would like.

spw wrote:

You come across as a young person who hasn't really been around vintage gear like a real TR-808. Most of the "808 bass" you hear in tracks is heavily processed. It's like saying something like a Roland CR-8000 or a Korg KR-55b was intended for electro music. i.e. The TR-808 was continuation of analog style beat boxes (CompuRhythm CR-78) with newer type of sequencer = Transistor Rhythm.

spw wrote:

That's funny coming from a dumb guy. Your old friend DJ Catffood said you were not the brightest guy in the world. Dubstep sucks btw.

spw wrote:

Nobody street in the US still uses the term Yo!

spw wrote:

That track sucks. The break groove is lame, similar to Top 40 R&B songs. Nothing new or special.

jondavey wrote:

I like cake

spw wrote:

I should point out that I never been a huge fan of Drum & Bass. The early UK break beat sound was okay but I never liked the beats in Drum & Bass music. Dubstep is similar to Drum & Bass but they are just using contemporary R&B groove trying to claim it's something new and revolutionary. It's just the latest hyped up UK DANCE GENRE FAD.

spirals wrote:

damn spw, it isn't even your musical selections that most people are getting fighty about, it's the way you deliver your input, as abrasive as possible.
i liked a couple tunes you picked out here and there.

spw wrote:

It's because I questioned the latest UK dance fad everyone is supposed to exited about "dubstep." Newsflash: it doesn't sound that great. Nuff said.

spirals wrote:

welll.........
the tunes dusty posted were done so because the track titles applied to the drama in this thread, and you overreacted angrily and in an insulting tone. dusty knows his music imo.
i don't like dubstep either but i don't feel the need to shove my opinion down the throats of people who do.
(that last part is open to debate, lol)

knob wrote:

Thats hilarious.. I've forgotten more about programming the 808 than you'll ever learn , and i'm posative i'm older than you. TRY AGAIN DICKWEED:)

P.S. Do you have one sitting in front of you right now??? I DO:)

knob wrote:

Sorry... I had to use it cus last week I said it was one of my lines....But seriously spw you're barking up the WRRROOONG tree.

knob wrote:

Hey spw. I think this Japanese girl may know a little more about electro than you:) http://www.myspace.com/kpr77

knob wrote:

No it isin't. I don't give a shit about the U.K. dance music fads.I live in the u.s. , and pretty much only listen to HOUSE, & TECHNO. (not to offend all the other shit. It just aint my thing.) You just think you know a shit ton more than you actually know. Stop giving americans a bad name and shut the fuck up already.

auxroot wrote:

btw, YO has become something that everyone in america says. it's not "street" slang anymore, but you hear it on the streets and everywhere.

knob wrote:

YO!!!stfu. That' a straight lie!!:)

cinquante_neuf wrote:

Ok, so you don't like DnB, so that makes dubstep a fad, am I getting this right?

Can you explain what you mean by R&B groove? Perhaps my understanding of RnB is different to yours, AFAIK 140 BPM shuffled, half-time, minimal drum patterns underpinned by a heavy bassline didn't appear on the last Mariah Carey LP.

You say that it is hard to dance to? How is it harder to dance to than 140 BPM Techno? - Really, this was the argument that was thrown at jungle 12 years ago, it was stupid then, it is stupid now.

The one thing I hope you take from this topic is that taste is subjective. This is your problem, not ours.

cerebral wrote:

Surely the latest UK dance fads are bassline music (just sounds like garage), and also basshunter style stuff is seeing more airplay.

gmos wrote:

yes, like...

gmos wrote:

I'm not big on Dubstep either, but the comparison to R&B Top 40 groove even after listening to those tracks is laughable. maybe there's some abstract Top 40 R&B in the US that we're missing, post some examples for us please

gmos wrote:

they use vocal snippets from R&B tracks but I don't hear the similarities in the groove one bit

Dusty wrote:

I'd say funky is the latest UK trend... but we will give it a couple of years for spw to pick up on it. It takes a while for things to filter up through his ivory tower.

In the meantime we can await another cutting-edge review of a poker flat record. UNDERGROUND!

Let us not forget that spw isn't just misinformed about UK music, he thinks Carl Craig is rubbish as well. Just to put his reviews into perspective.

cinquante_neuf wrote:

looking at his collection it appears that his listening habits are ... narrow to say the least.

gmos wrote:

I believe he also said that moodymann wasn't soulful (but now dubstep is R

gmos wrote:

and B)

cerebral wrote:

But hey brother, funky never went away!

jondavey wrote:

...so the sence of humour bypass was sucessfull then spw?

Barry_Crumbcheeks wrote:

the music borg does not compute humour

man_traic wrote:

A symptom of the brain bypass he preumably underwent

Ory wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funky_house

bedhed3000 wrote:

The last 10 hours have been a pretty decisive beating. Maybe this guy will fucking stop polluting the forums now?

spw wrote:

Drug head no one is forcing you to reply to a thread I started. Maybe you should go to the drug forum that's in your profile since you're dope with dopey reviews.




Dusty's taste in dubstep he likes to show off is worthy of the title of this thread. Looking at the web sites in his profile and man-traic they have lame taste in web design, graphics. Lame asses.




A break beat that goes.. kick..snare..kick...snare...followed by triplet kick-kisck-kick.. is the same shit.

bedhed3000 wrote:

Yeah, and your prose is fantastic. Try completing a sentence one of these days kiddo. Let's not even get into comparing our collections... oh wait! You haven't got one!





Brilliant. Have you thought about pursuing an advanced degree in Musicology?

I think I will go check out what's been going on in the Drug Forum these days. This is getting boring.

man_traic wrote:

WELL LETS SEE YOUR WEBSITE THEN, HOTSHOT

cinquante_neuf wrote:

What does web design have to do with dubstep? Did Timbaland code hardformat?

Dusty wrote:

The only creative thing we have seen from spw is some seriously sub-par attempts at music he occasionally randomly throws into his review threads. If that is his sum contribution to the world, we haven't really got much to worry about.

gmos wrote:

comeback of the century! cutting and such wit too

Haze wrote:

Webstep - I can hear it coming.


spw, you're an attention seeking idiot.

spw wrote:

Out of context from another thread.




Like British rap?

Dubstep example 1

Dubstep example 2

cinquante_neuf wrote:

What?